24:44, He has a way of taking a very complex system and simplifying it to just like the fundamentals and the really the first principal components of what really matters about the system and then making statements about those. It’s a very different way of thinking that I find kind of fascinating by default for example, sometimes I get sort of overwhelmed by the system, I feel like I need to know the system in its full detail to make the correct decisions, but that’s not how he operates. He somehow has a way to distill the system into a much simpler system in which he operates.